String sensitivity issues

[alancarl]

Hi All,
   I just picked up a YRG 1000.
I believe that his device has tremendous potential.

I have found that either of two conditions are apparent with the current hardware and software rev of the YRG.

1. If I set the YRG to trigger notes without having to attack it with so much force Mis-fired notes(usually open strings) occur when I play the strings with more force, pick or fingers.
Of course I have tried many string gain, trigger threshold settings as well as the crosstalk, open string mute, auto open string off feature, etc....

Still the YRG is prone to misfiring for me.

2. If I set the YRG to require greater attack forces it sometimes just does not trigger the notesatt all...

I believe that the 'sweet spot' is to small if it even exists for getting the YRG to trigger notes when you intend to but not to mis-fire from attack vibrations from other intended notes

I proffer the idea here that the electro-mechanical string triggers(which are very clever) cannot be tamed and/or tuned in with software settings alone.

I hope that this 'dilemna' can really be addressed because the idea of putting MIDI on a consumer gaming commodity is one way to sell enough of these GamePads to get the long awaited guitar to MIDI problem solved for musicians(we guitarists fall into this category too)

Ideas, opinions, rebuttals?
Thanks,
AL

[gstik]

HI Al

Take a look at this technical note and let us know if it helps you at all - there usually is a way to dial it in for your playing style.

http://yourockguitar.com/support/technical-notes/164-technical-notes-string-sensitivity

[alancarl]

Hi,
    Thanks for replying.
I had already thoroughly read the manual, and I had read the sensitivity setting info before but I did read it again.
What I am saying is the useable triggering force range for the current state of the yrg is way too narrow.
So no, readjusting the yrg does not change what I said in my original post.
Thanks anyway,
Al

[gstik]

HI Al,

You may have already tried this, I find that the sensitivity evens out more if you reduce the string tension a little .. usually an 1/8 to 1/4 turn counter clockwise results in a more comfortable setup. This is subjective - some people prefer it tighter ... DO NOT OVERTIGHTEN.

If you have no luck enter a trouble ticket and maybe customer service can help you.

[alancarl]

Thanks Gstik for the ideas,
      I have already tried adjusting the string tensions also.
I should clarify my experience here, I can get the YRG to trigger fairly reliably... A lot better with the pick than with fingers,though my observation that the YRG string triggers have a very narrow range of useable triggering force still stands.
I believe that the YRG is a significant step in making the connection between midi and we guitarists.
If the designers have gotten this much functionality to market for $199.99 in 2011 chances are good that together we can really nail this long time quest down. My interest here is not to hurt the development but to get any dialog going with other users to compare hypothessises( I think this is the plural of hypothesis):-)
I guess that string sensitivity issues is a bad buzz phrase like the L word( l____cy)!

Anyway thanks,
I appreciate your input and again I know that at keast you and I must be on the same page as I had
already explored all of the things that you kindly suggested in this post.
I guess that I will always be a vaporware,version 2 kinda guy:-/
Thanks,
Al

[alancarl]

Hi Gstik,
      As quite a few yrg owners have had less than stellar RH triggering experiences I know that this aspect could be improved....hence my next statement....and i Hope for more geeks(no disrespect intended) to chime in here,Elantric, Bill Rupert,Bob The Dog,Midivox,etc.

I had emailed tech support on another issue,and after we had established that I had read the manual, the answer was, well there may be a software update to address that issue.... So I am pitching the user forum to join in,not to fix my problem!
Actually I am more or less beyond help anyway:-)

      I was thinking about the string trigger force mechanism on the YRG.
The sensor appears to acquire triggering force by the speed movement of a little sensor at the fretboard
end of the strings..... Comparing this mechanism to say an acoustic piano where there are a number of
 movements,inertias,etc I would think that the physical travel of the yrg string trigger sensor is
infantessimaly smaller by comparison.....

Hopefully Someone will figure this out as the yrg is the best thus far and I have played/owned many Gtr
 synths.
Thanks,
Al

[ts335]

I've been trying for a few weeks now to find the "sweet spot" with not a lot of luck.  As I look through the forum here I see most of the dialog dried up early in 2011.  So my questions are:
1 - Have people just given up?
2 - Has someone unlocked the code on control panel set up to stike a happy medium?

I get false triggers, note drop outs on single note solos, inconsistent triggering while finger picking, etc...

Touch mode is really good and works well, but for picking my Roland rig is much more predictable.

As you probably have figured out I'm using this for midi recording.  EMU 1820M interface with Reaper and a host of VSTi.

Any suggestions would be appreciated and yes I've read and experimented with all of the tech doc recommendations.

[gstik]

I get false triggers, note drop outs on single note solos, inconsistent triggering while finger picking, etc...

Touch mode is really good and works well, but for picking my Roland rig is much more predictable.

Please contact support at: http://www.yrgnet.com/support/

let them know you have been through everything on the forum - we can help you.

[stubbonla]

Hi All,
   I just picked up a YRG 1000.
I believe that his device has tremendous potential.

I have found that either of two conditions are apparent with the current hardware and software rev of the YRG.

1. If I set the YRG to trigger notes without having to attack it with so much force Mis-fired notes(usually open strings) occur when I play the strings with more force, pick or fingers.
Of course I have tried many string gain, trigger threshold settings as well as the crosstalk, open string mute, auto open string off feature, etc....

Still the YRG is prone to misfiring for me.

2. If I set the YRG to require greater attack forces it sometimes just does not trigger the notesatt all...

I believe that the 'sweet spot' is to small if it even exists for getting the YRG to trigger notes when you intend to but not to mis-fire from attack vibrations from other intended notes

I proffer the idea here that the electro-mechanical string triggers(which are very clever) cannot be tamed and/or tuned in with software settings alone.

I hope that this 'dilemna' can really be addressed because the idea of putting MIDI on a consumer gaming commodity is one way to sell enough of these GamePads to get the long awaited guitar to MIDI problem solved for musicians(we guitarists fall into this category too)

Ideas, opinions, rebuttals?
Thanks,
AL

Hi  i have  em all , the string triggers including the ztar lazer sensors  suck... years  ago ,  had this  casio midi guitar , i forget the model , but a peek inside ,  had the strings soldered  to  small piezo pickups , like the  electronic drum pads use .... that was the best  sensitivity / velocity feel i ever got from a midi guitar , rest of the features ... ok missed the buss like the yamaha EZAG .... still great midi response though .. any one explored this ??  can YRG  try it out and  give it or sell it to existing customers make  em happy finally ? sam

[gstik]

for string sensitivity issues, please contact us at info@yrgmusic.com ... we can usually solve your problems